{"id":95119,"date":"2020-06-09T15:23:00","date_gmt":"2020-06-09T19:23:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/?post_type=bu-article&#038;p=95119"},"modified":"2022-11-02T13:18:18","modified_gmt":"2022-11-02T17:18:18","slug":"conversation-erika-b-hess-erika-block","status":"publish","type":"bu-article","link":"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/magazine\/articles\/2020\/conversation-erika-b-hess-erika-block\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversation: Erika B. Hess &#038; Erika Block"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\t<div class=\"wp-block-editorial-leadin magazine-block-editorial-leadin is-style-emphasis-on-text has-media has-media-focus-center-middle\">\n\t\t<div class=\"container-lockup\">\n\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wp-block-leadin-media\">\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<img width=\"2492\" height=\"1400\" src=\"\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block.jpg\" class=\"\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block.jpg 2492w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-636x357.jpg 636w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1024x575.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-768x431.jpg 768w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1536x863.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-2048x1151.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1200x675.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-992x558.jpg 992w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1500x844.jpg 1500w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1920x1080.jpg 1920w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1984x1116.jpg 1984w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1628x915.jpg 1628w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1600x900.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1366x768.jpg 1366w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-1280x720.jpg 1280w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Conversation-Erika-B.-Hess-and-Erica-Block-854x480.jpg 854w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2492px) 100vw, 2492px\" \/>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\n\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"container-words-outer\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"wp-block-editorial-leadin-caption wp-prepress-component-caption\">Photos by Nick Fancher (Hess) and Ron Wurzer (Block)<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"container-words-inner\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wp-prepress-tag\">Music<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"head\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"\">Conversation: Erika B. Hess &amp; Erika Block<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/h1>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h4 class=\"deck\">Podcasters Erika B. Hess, of <em>I Like Your Work<\/em>, and Erika Block, of <em>Inside the Notes<\/em>, on the art of storytelling<\/h4>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\n\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\n\t<\/div>\n\n\t\n<div class=\"wp-prepress-component-metabar magazine-prepress-layout-metabar\">\n\t<div class=\"wp-prepress-component-metabar-wrapper\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wp-prepress-component-metabar-date\">June 9, 2020<\/div>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wp-prepress-component-metabar-credits\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul data-credit-type=\"By\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<li><a href=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/magazine\/authors\/mara-sassoon\/\">Mara Sassoon<\/a><\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<div class=\"wp-prepress-component-metabar-share js-bu-prepress-share-tools\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"icon-twitter\"><span>Twitter<\/span><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class=\"icon-facebook\"><span>Facebook<\/span><\/span>\n\t\t\t<span class=\"icon-action\"><\/span>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\t\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-editorial-introparagraph magazine-block-editorial-introparagraph is-style-dropcap-default has-dropcap has-dropcap-color-secondary\"><div class=\"wp-block-editorial-introparagraph-content\"><p>Artist and curator Erika B. Hess sits among the paints, brushes, palettes, and canvases that fill her converted garage studio at her home in Ohio. But on the desk in front of her are some very different tools\u2014a big microphone and a laptop. In this space, she not only paints; she interviews her peers from the visual arts world, from painters and illustrators to curators and gallerists, for her podcast,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ilikeyourworkpodcast.com\/\"><em>I Like Your Work<\/em><\/a>.<\/p><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>On this day, Hess (\u201909) opens up Skype on her laptop and dials the Los Angeles-based abstract painter Tomory Dodge. The two launch into a discussion about Dodge\u2019s work\u2014his use of color, his style of paint application\u2014which eventually turns into a conversation about how taking up zen meditation has impacted his art.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hess started&nbsp;<em>I Like Your Work<\/em>&nbsp;\u201cto tell the stories of artists and create a dialogue that can lead to community. We see the work of artists and read their exhibition history, but when you hear about their lives, the day-to-day, you have a better understanding of their creations and can see yourself in their stories.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Her conversations tackle issues many artists face, including work\/life balance and managing finances. Through her podcast, she also partners with curators and galleries to host her own juried art shows. During the summers, she takes time off from the podcast to work on her paintings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Clarinetist Erika Block (BUTI\u201996, CFA\u201902,\u201904) also balances her art with podcasting. Block, a clarinet instructor at Western Washington University, hosts&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/insidethenotes.com\/\"><em>Inside the Notes<\/em><\/a>, in which she interviews fellow musicians from around the world, among them famed guitar player Pepe Romero; Richard Roberts, concertmaster of the Montreal Symphony Orchestra; and award-winning mezzo-soprano Jamie Barton. She conducts all of her interviews in person, fitting them into a busy schedule of teaching and playing in numerous music groups.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Both Hess and Block are in the second seasons of their podcasts. The two chatted by phone about their podcasting journeys and how artists can help each other succeed. They immediately bonded over their shared name\u2014especially when Block revealed she was named after a Swiss alpine skier named Erika Hess.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ERIKA B. HESS:<\/strong>&nbsp;I\u2019m so excited to connect with a fellow Erika from CFA. And it\u2019s exciting to connect with somebody who is in the arts and also podcasting. I\u2019m eager to hear about why you started your podcast.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>ERIKA BLOCK:<\/strong>&nbsp;It\u2019s been an interesting journey. I ended up playing in a festival with this gentleman who used to play in the New York Philharmonic for 30 years. Right away he was like, \u201cHi, I\u2019m Joe. Here\u2019s a crazy story.\u201d He\u2019s an ultimate storyteller and just talked and talked. Then my husband and I went to dinner with him and he said the most insane things I\u2019ve ever heard. It was amazing, eye-opening, and inspiring.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When we left, I said to my husband, \u201cSomebody has got to start recording things like this. Because there are so many other musicians who have so much to say too.\u201d My husband said, \u201cYou should do it.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It kind of exploded from there. Now, I can\u2019t imagine not doing it. I love it so much. We did 17 episodes last year. The way I do them is I stockpile and then release every two weeks. Then summertime is the time to gather, travel, and collect for the next year so that I\u2019m not freaking out all year long.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;I know, because so much time goes into it, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EB:<\/strong>&nbsp;Oh my God, yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-bu-pullquote magazine-block-bu-pullquote alignwide is-style-modern has-image has-image-focus-center-middle has-secondary-theme has-secondary-theme-text\"><div class=\"wp-block-bu-pullquote-inner\"><blockquote><div class=\"container-lockup\"><div class=\"container-icon-outer\"><div class=\"container-icon-inner\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1204\" height=\"1400\" class=\"bu-blocks-background has-background-opacity has-background-opacity-60 wp-image-95121\" src=\"\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Block-CFA.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Block-CFA.jpg 1204w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Block-CFA-547x636.jpg 547w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Block-CFA-881x1024.jpg 881w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Block-CFA-768x893.jpg 768w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Block-CFA-860x1000.jpg 860w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1204px) 100vw, 1204px\" \/><\/div><\/div><div class=\"container-text\"><hr\/><div class=\"quote-sizing\">I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m getting to meet these people. First of all, I would be perfectly happy with a handshake and an autograph. And then it&#8217;s, okay, now here&#8217;s an hour I have to sit and talk with you.<\/div><footer class=\"caption\"><br\/>Erika Block (BUTI\u201996, CFA\u201902,\u201904)<\/footer><hr\/><\/div><\/div><\/blockquote><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;I do the same thing\u2014taking the summer off. Or I travel, and I can go to artists\u2019 studios and talk to them and see their work. I\u2019ve been releasing weekly. It\u2019s a lot of behind-the-scenes work, which is actually really enjoyable for me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I come from a visual arts background, so I wasn\u2019t sure what it was going to be like working with sound and trying to weave the story together and introduce it to an audience. But it\u2019s been such a delight to do.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think the other really interesting thing about podcasting\u2014and I\u2019m interested if you would agree or not\u2014is how it puts you in contact with people who you\u2019ve always wanted to meet, and how exciting it is to be able to ask the questions that you\u2019ve been wanting to ask.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EB:<\/strong>&nbsp;It feels like when people say something like, \u201cIf you could have coffee with any two people in the world, who would it be?\u201d It feels like that over and over again. I can\u2019t believe I\u2019m getting to meet these people. First of all, I would be perfectly happy with a handshake and an autograph. And then it\u2019s, okay, now here\u2019s an hour I have to sit and talk with you. It\u2019s ridiculous. Then by the time you\u2019re done with the interview, you\u2019re friends, because you shared this journey of discussion. You exchange phone numbers and, eventually, you have a whole new network.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;That makes me think about something I think we\u2019re both interested in\u2014this idea of building community in the arts. Podcasting is just such a wonderful way to connect with people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There\u2019s a painter I\u2019ve looked up to for a long time,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.joannegreenbaum.com\/\">Joanne Greenbaum<\/a>. I ended up interviewing a curator who works with her and that\u2019s how I then got the introduction to Joanne. I traveled to New York and went to her studio and talked to her. This was during the polar vortex.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EB:<\/strong>&nbsp;That\u2019s crazy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;I know, right? We were freezing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It was just this moment of thinking, \u201cOh my gosh, I have studied your work. I have read interviews with you. And now I get to sit here and talk to you, look at your paintings, and hear your story.\u201d It was an incredible experience. Like you said, you continue to meet new people and connect them with each other as well and that\u2019s another cool thing, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EB:<\/strong>&nbsp;Absolutely, and I think you\u2019ll agree in all of the arts, the network is so small and the world really is so tiny that you realize that all of these different people are connected. So, I think it\u2019s important to boost community pride and the sense of here we are doing the same thing, with our whole hearts, as hard as we can.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;I think another reason I love podcasting is because it\u2019s a way to add to the dialogue and create opportunities for others. Even some of these really well-known artists are flattered that people want to hear their story, and that somebody is taking an interest in recording it and sharing it on a new platform.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EB:<\/strong>&nbsp;Yes. It\u2019s a win-win for everyone. I\u2019m hoping that by having it recorded, people have the opportunity to hear someone\u2019s story in their own voice, which to me makes a huge difference. You hear their voice inflections, their view from their experience, firsthand. We\u2019re getting the most honest possible version of stories that we can get when we record straight from the source.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019ve found so many times after I\u2019ve finished a recording, I\u2019m so wrapped up with excitement and adrenaline. When I\u2019m editing and listening to it, it\u2019s like I\u2019m reliving it again; I can listen to it five times and get something different every time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-bu-pullquote magazine-block-bu-pullquote alignwide is-style-modern has-image has-image-focus-center-middle has-secondary-theme\"><div class=\"wp-block-bu-pullquote-inner\"><blockquote><div class=\"container-lockup\"><div class=\"container-icon-outer\"><div class=\"container-icon-inner\"><img loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1080\" height=\"1238\" class=\"bu-blocks-background has-background-opacity has-background-opacity-60 wp-image-95122\" src=\"\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Hess.jpg\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Hess.jpg 1080w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Hess-555x636.jpg 555w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Hess-893x1024.jpg 893w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Hess-768x880.jpg 768w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2022\/11\/Erika-Hess-872x1000.jpg 872w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1080px) 100vw, 1080px\" \/><\/div><\/div><div class=\"container-text\"><hr\/><div class=\"quote-sizing\">I think another reason I love podcasting is because it\u2019s a way to add to the dialogue and create opportunities for others. Even some of these really well-known artists are flattered that people want to hear their story, and that somebody is taking an interest in recording it and sharing it on a new platform.<\/div><footer class=\"caption\"><br\/>Erika B. Hess<\/footer><hr\/><\/div><\/div><\/blockquote><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;I love hearing that you get totally jazzed after an interview.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EB:<\/strong>&nbsp;Oh man, yeah. I\u2019m a mess. This past summer, I had the chance to come to Boston\u2014it was this crazy adventure to get to the home of one of the most famous clarinet player soloists of all time,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.richardstoltzman.com\/\">Richard Stoltzman<\/a>&nbsp;[an adjunct professor of music at CFA]. He\u2019s a legend. The plan was that we were supposed to talk for an hour and a half, from 1 to 2:30, but he talked and talked, and it took him so long to jog his memory. He was like, \u201cI hadn\u2019t thought about these things in years,\u201d and then all of a sudden, the memories started coming out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We talked until five o\u2019clock at night. And I was so tired and so excited from the wealth of information, the fact that it happened at all, the fact that I got some incredible stories. Editing that to one episode was so hard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;You\u2019re inspiring me. I need to get out to some of the older artists who I love. I mean, these are people who I\u2019d love to meet, so I\u2019m going to make the leap.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EB:<\/strong>&nbsp;You\u2019ve got to. For me, it\u2019s all about the younger students. Podcasting is something they will accept and try. They will put on Spotify, stick their headphones in their ears, and listen. If I can get them to learn about storytelling from hearing good storytelling, then I\u2019m doing a service to their musicality. That\u2019s what music is. It\u2019s telling stories, learning how to play with detail, and learning how to lure your audience in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m curious\u2014does your audience go beyond North America into the rest of the world?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;It has been a revelation to see how many people outside of the US listen to the podcast. I have no idea how they discover me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I once got a message from a woman in Berlin. She said she was out walking her dog in the snow. She was listening to my podcast, and just started crying in the middle of a park because she had moved to Berlin to pursue her artistic career, and had given up on the idea of having children\u2014she had just decided it couldn\u2019t happen. On the episode she was listening to, I was interviewing an artist who was talking about the decision to have kids. This artist has children and she\u2019s still showing work and has representation at three galleries. It was such a shock to this woman in Berlin. It was so wonderful to see the podcast had a positive impact on her. I was also thinking, \u201cYou\u2019re in Berlin in the snow listening to me?\u201d You feel like yes, what I\u2019m doing is actually helping people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EB:<\/strong>&nbsp;Now, everybody I interview talks about two things: how somebody, either a teacher, a mentor, a parent, or grandparent, pushed them and guided them. They also talk about how they built a network and how it worked for them. You know, they stayed close with their college colleagues, met people at summer festivals, and the doors opened.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the art world similar? Does it have anything like that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;Oh, yeah. I meet so many generous artists who have kept up their network and who are interested in supporting others\u2019 careers. You can\u2019t really move forward with the mentality of, \u201cThis is my career. I only focus on me.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I interviewed&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/lisacongdon.com\/\">Lisa Congdon<\/a>, an artist who started her career a little later in life. She said that the reason she tries to help so many younger artists now is because somebody helped her, and she would not be where she is today without that support.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EB:<\/strong>&nbsp;I think that\u2019s something that is beautiful about the arts in general. We owe it to the next generation to tell them what we\u2019ve learned. It\u2019s leaving a painting or a piece of music, leaving what you have to say. Then they learn something from that and pass it down. It\u2019s built in a beautiful way. Podcasting just makes the perfect platform to continue broadening how that gets shared.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>EH:<\/strong>&nbsp;I think you put that beautifully. We get to share those stories and make it a little bit more democratic in some ways. Not everybody can have these experiences and, through a podcast, a few more people can.<\/p>\n\n\n\t<section class=\"wp-block-editorial-collection-billboard magazine-block-editorial-collection-billboard\">\n\n\t\t<h3 class=\"collection-billboard-intro-title\">This Series<\/h3>\n\t\t<article class=\"collection-billboard-article\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"collection-billboard-media\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure class=\"collection-navigation-image\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1024\" height=\"512\" src=\"\/cfa\/files\/2023\/01\/Conversation-Watkins-Killebrew-banner-1024x512.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2023\/01\/Conversation-Watkins-Killebrew-banner-1024x512.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2023\/01\/Conversation-Watkins-Killebrew-banner-636x318.jpg 636w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2023\/01\/Conversation-Watkins-Killebrew-banner-768x384.jpg 768w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2023\/01\/Conversation-Watkins-Killebrew-banner-1536x768.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2023\/01\/Conversation-Watkins-Killebrew-banner-2048x1024.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/files\/2023\/01\/Conversation-Watkins-Killebrew-banner-1628x814.jpg 1628w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"collection-billboard-media-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/magazine\/articles\/2019\/michaela-watkins-boo-killebrew-queens-of-funny-sad\/\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tclass=\"collection-billboard-media-title-link\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t>Conversation: Michaela Watkins &#038; Boo Killebrew<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/h3>\n\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\"collection-billboard-content\">\n\t\t\t\t<h4 class=\"collection-billboard-small-title\">Also in<\/h4>\n\n\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"collection-billboard-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/magazine\/collections\/conversation\/\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\tclass=\"collection-billboard-title-link\"\n\t\t\t\t\t>Conversation<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/h3>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"collection-billboard-list\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"collection-billboard-list-item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<article class=\"collection-billboard-list-item-article\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"collection-billboard-list-item-article-date\">August 14, 2023<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h4 class=\"collection-billboard-list-item-article-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/magazine\/articles\/2023\/conversation-martin-sherman-kirsten-greenidge\/\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tclass=\"collection-card-article-title-link\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>Conversation: Martin Sherman &#038; Kirsten Greenidge<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/h4>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/article>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"collection-billboard-list-item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<article class=\"collection-billboard-list-item-article\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"collection-billboard-list-item-article-date\">July 12, 2023<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h4 class=\"collection-billboard-list-item-article-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/magazine\/articles\/2023\/conversation-fred-zollo-harvey-young-till-movie\/\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tclass=\"collection-card-article-title-link\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>Conversation: Fred Zollo &#038; Harvey Young<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/h4>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/article>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"collection-billboard-list-item\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<article class=\"collection-billboard-list-item-article\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"collection-billboard-list-item-article-date\">December 21, 2022<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h4 class=\"collection-billboard-list-item-article-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/magazine\/articles\/2022\/conversation-joseph-conyers-angelica-hairston\/\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tclass=\"collection-card-article-title-link\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t>Conversation: Joseph Conyers &#038; Angelica Hairston<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/h4>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/article>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<a\n\t\t\t\t\t\thref=\"https:\/\/id-andrea.cms-devl.bu.edu\/cfa\/magazine\/collections\/conversation\/\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\tclass=\"collection-billboard-link\"\n\t\t\t\t\t>Series home<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t<\/article>\n\n\t<\/section>\n\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On this day, Hess (\u201909) opens up Skype on her laptop and dials the Los Angeles-based abstract painter Tomory Dodge. 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